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Offline dragon08

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Is overweight an issue?
« on: July 25, 2009, 00:31 »
Is it an issue for overweight people to join a DB team? If so, how does a team usually reacts? If not, how does a team take it as an advantage?

Offline Aspire

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 10:21 »
hey bryan79,

first thing: i notice you've been posting rather unusual posts here, asking rather fundamental questions, mostly related to team dynamics (e.g. what causes a team to collapse, whether overweight pple can join DB).

plus you posted the recruitment for Young NTUC, so I suppose you at least belong to the recruitment subcomm for the club? anyway, i wonder what is the rationale behind all these questions? is your team going through a rough patch?

there is no issue for overweight people to join DB. To clear one major misconception, DB is NOT an exclusive club for fit hunks. Those who think so are delusional and absolutely egoistic. DB is just like any sport, so as long as you are medically fit, there is no problem to join.

how a team reacts to this will depend on the team culture, as well as level of competitiveness. you can imagine highly competitive teams like SAFSA and Mountbatten mostly (if not exclusively) taking in only seasoned rowers, so if you're new but relatively unfit or overweight, you may get turned away.

however, if you are only an entry-level club, e.g. Young NTUC, and on your own website you are advertising your team as a platform to "widen your circle of friends" and "pick up a new sport", it would be snobbish to turn away people only because they are overweight.

a positive way to view this, will be to take up the challenge of training these newcomers. your coach and your team will be most satisfied as you slowly see him lose weight and become a stronger paddler, as long as your training is rigorous enough.

Offline dragon08

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 12:01 »
Hi Aspire,

Thanks for replying such post.

Ya, true that I asked some weird questions. As whether our team going through rough patch, I am not convenient to share it much here. I am asking to share views/experience from other teams where they are more experienced in dragonboating. Understanding more can help build the right mindsets from the start and avoid future problems or argument.

Guess u have already share your views here, which is much helpful. Appreciate it very much.    :D

Our club is undergoing some reforms to gets the fundamentals right. So, u felt that our website is entry level only. Hmm...

It's true that it would be a plus point to make people fitter over time with rigorous training.

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 12:22 »
Speaking from my experience with a corporate team, you just have to manage them as best as you can if you do have overweight paddlers. Medically they must know their own limitations. And as the Team Manager or Coach, you should try at least to reach the team's maximum potential to see how far can the team go. Still the key word here is -management. Whatever you intend to do would have to cater to their 'extra' requirement, if you don't mind the pun.

Being overweight does not necessarily meant the person cannot paddle. On the contrary, due to him being heavier, he would be more stable and therefore able to channel more power into the water. Simple laws of physics - stability allows for more efficient transfer of power. Its the coach's job to identify this. Remember d-boat is more about technique. In a short 300m race, perhaps they can have the lungs to last.

 
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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 22:31 »
Hi Aspire,

Thanks for replying such post.

Ya, true that I asked some weird questions. As whether our team going through rough patch, I am not convenient to share it much here. I am asking to share views/experience from other teams where they are more experienced in dragonboating. Understanding more can help build the right mindsets from the start and avoid future problems or argument.

Guess u have already share your views here, which is much helpful. Appreciate it very much.    :D

Our club is undergoing some reforms to gets the fundamentals right. So, u felt that our website is entry level only. Hmm...

It's true that it would be a plus point to make people fitter over time with rigorous training.


haha you don't seem convinced. and i am especially intrigued by the line "so, u felt our website is entry-level only..."

i wasn't commenting that your "website" is entry-level, but rather, your website, which is the platform at which you guys protray yourselves to the DB community, demonstrates that your team welcomes both newcomers and experienced paddlers, so categorically i don't see what's wrong with labelling your team as an "entry-level" one.

Offline dragon08

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2009, 23:18 »
Ok. I think somewhat u r right that "entry-level" is the right word to be used. Guess every team has experienced and inexperienced paddlers/rowers.

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2009, 11:23 »
I agree with Aspire in saying that whether or not a team accepts an overweight paddler is really according to whether that is in line with team objectives. If the team objectives is to get the fittest paddlers only, overweight paddlers might be rejected as they are usually not fit and hence it will be an issue. If the team objectives is to be open an all inclusive, then overweight paddlers will probably not be an issue.

However, I believe since all teams' objectives is to win in races, being overweight might then cause the paddler a place in the racing boat. Being overweight usually comes with the connotation that the paddler is unfit and that the rest of the boat will have 'extra weight' to carry. Given that there maybe other lighter and fitter paddlers to choose from, the coach might want to choose these other paddlers in place of the overweight paddler.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2009, 13:12 by khatsalano »

Offline Aspire

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2009, 11:34 »
khatsalano is right to point out that all teams want to win in races. yet, this should not preclude overweight rowers from joining a team. with training i believe anyone can become an asset to the team. the only caveat is some will need to work a little harder than others.

a fit young lad who becomes complacent in his training may also find himself out of favour. conversely, an initially overweight person trains hard and can become an indispensable power pack for the boat. it is not the absolute weight that matters, but more importantly, the power to weight ratio.

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2009, 22:18 »
Dear all.. I believe that this overweight issue is never a issue in this team as I'm from this team too and our 2 heaviest members also participated in the recent June race.. There's no such things that we're rejecting anyone who is overweight or weak as we believe in team work.. I know its stupid to discuss this team issue in public but I really hope to straighten things out..

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Re: Is overweight an issue?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 23:40 »
Dear all.. I believe that this overweight issue is never a issue in this team as I'm from this team too and our 2 heaviest members also participated in the recent June race.. There's no such things that we're rejecting anyone who is overweight or weak as we believe in team work.. I know its stupid to discuss this team issue in public but I really hope to straighten things out..

FYI, this is a general discussion about possible issue faced by any dragonboat teams. No particular team was referenced.